Quizz très difficile

[luigi]

Qui est le luthier ? ( 17 -18 ème siècle )




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Luigi

[Jicemac]

Vernis chaud-orangé, tête (pour le peu qu'on en devine) assez mirecourtienne, école française...?
Vieux Paris, Guersain ou le Pierray...?

[Jicemac]

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[luigi]

Non....

Le " chin" est très caractéristique

Modèle : Brescia

Luthier répertorié p 446 dans le nouveau dictionnaire des luthiers de John Dilworth



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Autre caractéristique... les petits points..( pin pricks )



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Autre indice : ce luthier " is known to have set ribs in a channel in the top " ( Karl Roy )

Luigi

[jépadçon]

Les petits points sur la volute, j'ai déjà vu cela sur un violon anglais 17ème, Jacob Rayman si je me souviens bien!

[luigi]

c'est un autre Anglais ( bien joué )



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Luigi


NB: il est dans le livre de l'ashmolean museum dont tu nous a fait la pub

[isabelg]

Les petits points sur la volute, j'ai déjà vu cela sur un violon anglais 17ème, Jacob Rayman si je me souviens bien!

Tu ne confonds pas avec les petits trous sur les gabarits de têtes?

[jépadçon]

[luigi]

PAMPHILON, EDWARD
Worked on London Bridge, 1670-1690. If, in general, we are more attracted by flat modelling, the smaller and higher arched types (though sometimes presenting less variety), often possess a great number of interesting points which command our sympathies. The peculiar violins of this man, with their inelegantly squarish and stiff looking outline, but carefully finished workmanship, claim our admiration and secure our regard. Small proportioned outline and very pronounced arching. Delightfully clear compass of tone which is altogether of charming quality if somewhat small, but though lacking strength there is considerable buoyancy. One peculiarity which attracts the attention is the small sound-hole, sometimes designed with a drawn out curl like the volute of a scroll, the bottom curve sweeping out almost at right angles to the axis of the violin. Scroll has the then prevalent weakness (among English makers) of being too small, but we are inclined to overlook this in favour of the fascinatingly deep and artistic scooping of the volute. Purfling generally double, but there are specimens with single inlay. Richly decked with a yellow varnish (sometimes with a tinge of red), of splendid lustre and dazzling brightness. Not so thickly wooded as many instruments of the same period. Also produced small outlined violas which have quite an attractive tone. No ’cellos seem to have come from his workshop. Several nondescript violins of Italian origin have not infrequently been labelled with Pamphilon’s name. These are of broadish model and varnished dark brown. 300 dollars occasionally catalogued in the U.S.A. £90, 1960.
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Edward Pamphilon
April the 3rd, 1685
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Sometimes labelled as “Gasparo da Salò”. Their similarity to Brescian renders the deception rather easy. Some writers aver that Pamphilon bought violins of Tecchler and inserted his own label, an assertion to which we cannot acquiesce.


Source : http://www.ricercare.com/research/libra ... frame.html


http://www.bromptons.co/reference-libra ... -1700.html

http://www.amati.com/violin/violin-inst ... -1668.html
( cf tête de profil, on devine le petit triangle au niveau du cul de poule )


Luigi

[jépadçon]

Non....

Le " chin" est très caractéristique

Modèle : Brescia

Luthier répertorié p 446 dans le nouveau dictionnaire des luthiers de John Dilworth

Autre caractéristique... les petits points..( pin pricks )



Autre indice : ce luthier " is known to have set ribs in a channel in the top " ( Karl Roy )

Luigi

Ou Karl Roy se plante, ou tu as mal lu, c´est le problème quand les références ne sont que bilbiographiques, dans toute ma carrière, je n´ai jamais vu un violon avec les éclisses encastrées dans la table (top), je pense qu´il s´agit du fond, ce qui est courant pour cette école!
Je me suis trompé en parlant de Jacob Rayman pour les petits points sur la volute, j´avais vu cela chez William Baker et chez Thomas Urquhart.

[luigi]

J'ai bien lu

THE VIOLIN ITS HISTORY AND MAKING

First Edition Published by Karl Roy

ISBN 1-4243-0838-0

p 298 " One maker is known to have set ribs also in a channel in the top[/b], namely Edward Pamphilon

in Essex, England 1646-1685 "

MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS IN THE ASHMOLEAN MUSEUM ed: OMIP 2011

p 190 ( Violon de Pamphilon )

" the construction method comprised cutting a narrow chanel around the inside edge of back

and belly plates..."


Même période : http://www.bromptons.co/reference-libra ... arker.html

NOUVEAU QUIZZ : topic9429.html

Luigi

[jépadçon]

OK, my mistake!
Dans le bouquin sur la lutherie anglaise, il est noté qu´il les enclavait dans le fond mais aucune mention de la table.
J´ai seulement vu 3 Pamphilion (+ quelques Urquhart), les éclisses étaient enclavées dans le fond mais ne paraissaient pas l´être dans la table.

[luigi]

Moi, j' ai vu zéro Pamphilon ( sauf en photos)

Les petits trous sur la volute peuvent être considérés comme un défaut ou une "déco " ?

Pour les filets, ça doit être "sport" ?

Luigi